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  4. Disappointment sums up this response. As a neutral party to this falling out with some members of our Dungeons and Dragons sub-community, I have been asked to do my best to summarize the events that transpired and announce our final community decision based on the evidence provided. Firstly, I think that there has been an ongoing feud for many months with a handful of members, dungeon masters, and the world designer (Agent Serro). It sounds like there has been a significant lack of maturity for those involved to try and discuss differences in a concise way to help seek resolution of these issues. This ultimately led to this rift. The lack of professionalism and lack of human decency is disappointing. I understand that people do not see eye to eye on most things, but active involvement by talking behind someone’s back with intention to cause harm is unacceptable. Frankly I do not care if you get along with Agent Serro, or anyone for that matter. This behavior alone is unacceptable and childish. As early as the beginning of June it was the intention of mman666 aka (gru(D)|Leo(E)|Les(E)|Zen(E)) to create a small community for D&D on his own personal Discord server. Initially this began with him inviting friends of our community to his. This alone is not problematic, nor does it break any of our community rules; however, as more members came to join the server there was a select message posted on 6/22/22 in your announcements section (as seen in exhibit A) that requested others to begin recruitment for the small-scale community. This response was then later deleted by someone within your community this morning. There is nothing wrong with members splitting away from UWS to use their own private Discords for their own purposes. However, this private discord moved away from just a group of friends playing and doing their own thing to an attempt to grow independently with aspirations to recruit and grow their own D&D Westmarch campaign. This is now a conflict of interest. Shortly after, former member RedGaming00 was caught actively recruiting a newly established member of our UWS community (Exhibit B). This was done in clear violation of one of our community rules: “Promotion of unaffiliated groups/communities are not allowed”. As a result of these findings, we were able to compile a list of UWS members actively participating in this newly created server and in an intended response to conduct damage control, a blanket ban from the community was performed along with having all active D&D roles/access revoked. At this time, the initial investigating team was still compiling evidence to further review and to help make final decisions regarding those involved and their memberships here. During this time, they were encouraging those involved to dispute/appeal their bans. The responses in these threads are less than productive and provide little assistance to prove their claims of innocence. Despite this, we at United We Stand do not rule with an iron fist. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. As a result, the following has been decided. 1) Longstandingjoke: You have decided to step down as a dungeon master and assist to Agent Serro on your own terms. Although I feel that this decision spawns from the difficulties that occurred over the last many months (if not longer). The fact that you decided to leave is not a concern of ours. You left from a staffing perspective within good standing despite the butting of heads with Agent Serro. We are disappointed by your failure to work to resolve these issues, yet that is a decision you made. We have not found evidence to support a permanent ban and thus your membership status will be reinstated. 2) Mman666: It is in our view that you created your own personal discord to develop a new Westmarch campaign. This quickly morphed into a desire to not just continue a private campaign with a select group of friends, but turned into attempts to further recruitment and community development. This then led to attempted poaching of at least one of our UWS community members. This is worsened by the fact that you have tampered and deleted evidence on your communities Discord to help cover up these actions. You were found to be advising others to actively recruit, and those actions have led to the attempt of member poaching from our community. As a result, we have decided to maintain your permanent ban. In addition, not only within our community but also within yours you continue to stoke the fires and promote a consistent negative image of Agent Serro. You don’t have to like him, but this ongoing harassment is not acceptable. We wish you well with your campaign. 3) BlackDragon: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 4) Artolust: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 5) RedGaming00: You will be banned for actively trying to poach our members. 6) Attar: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 7) Zarifis: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. For those who have been unjustly temporarily banned, we apologize. This was done originally as a control measure and now that we have promptly reviewed all evidence, we have come to the decisions above. If you wish to remain an active member of UWS then we strongly encourage you to remain civil and help better our community as best as possible. We however will not tolerate any further discourse against Agent Serro and any actions deemed to be malicious will lead to your dismissal. We also will not tolerate the sharing of any sensitive information regarding the campaign that is crafted by Agent Serro to be used in any fashion with any other community unless provided consent to do so. Thank you, The UWS Admin Team Exhibit A: Exhibit B:
  5. Disappointment sums up this response. As a neutral party to this falling out with some members of our Dungeons and Dragons sub-community, I have been asked to do my best to summarize the events that transpired and announce our final community decision based on the evidence provided. Firstly, I think that there has been an ongoing feud for many months with a handful of members, dungeon masters, and the world designer (Agent Serro). It sounds like there has been a significant lack of maturity for those involved to try and discuss differences in a concise way to help seek resolution of these issues. This ultimately led to this rift. The lack of professionalism and lack of human decency is disappointing. I understand that people do not see eye to eye on most things, but active involvement by talking behind someone’s back with intention to cause harm is unacceptable. Frankly I do not care if you get along with Agent Serro, or anyone for that matter. This behavior alone is unacceptable and childish. As early as the beginning of June it was the intention of mman666 aka (gru(D)|Leo(E)|Les(E)|Zen(E)) to create a small community for D&D on his own personal Discord server. Initially this began with him inviting friends of our community to his. This alone is not problematic, nor does it break any of our community rules; however, as more members came to join the server there was a select message posted on 6/22/22 in your announcements section (as seen in exhibit A) that requested others to begin recruitment for the small-scale community. This response was then later deleted by someone within your community this morning. There is nothing wrong with members splitting away from UWS to use their own private Discords for their own purposes. However, this private discord moved away from just a group of friends playing and doing their own thing to an attempt to grow independently with aspirations to recruit and grow their own D&D Westmarch campaign. This is now a conflict of interest. Shortly after, former member RedGaming00 was caught actively recruiting a newly established member of our UWS community (Exhibit B). This was done in clear violation of one of our community rules: “Promotion of unaffiliated groups/communities are not allowed”. As a result of these findings, we were able to compile a list of UWS members actively participating in this newly created server and in an intended response to conduct damage control, a blanket ban from the community was performed along with having all active D&D roles/access revoked. At this time, the initial investigating team was still compiling evidence to further review and to help make final decisions regarding those involved and their memberships here. During this time, they were encouraging those involved to dispute/appeal their bans. The responses in these threads are less than productive and provide little assistance to prove their claims of innocence. Despite this, we at United We Stand do not rule with an iron fist. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. As a result, the following has been decided. 1) Longstandingjoke: You have decided to step down as a dungeon master and assist to Agent Serro on your own terms. Although I feel that this decision spawns from the difficulties that occurred over the last many months (if not longer). The fact that you decided to leave is not a concern of ours. You left from a staffing perspective within good standing despite the butting of heads with Agent Serro. We are disappointed by your failure to work to resolve these issues, yet that is a decision you made. We have not found evidence to support a permanent ban and thus your membership status will be reinstated. 2) Mman666: It is in our view that you created your own personal discord to develop a new Westmarch campaign. This quickly morphed into a desire to not just continue a private campaign with a select group of friends, but turned into attempts to further recruitment and community development. This then led to attempted poaching of at least one of our UWS community members. This is worsened by the fact that you have tampered and deleted evidence on your communities Discord to help cover up these actions. You were found to be advising others to actively recruit, and those actions have led to the attempt of member poaching from our community. As a result, we have decided to maintain your permanent ban. In addition, not only within our community but also within yours you continue to stoke the fires and promote a consistent negative image of Agent Serro. You don’t have to like him, but this ongoing harassment is not acceptable. We wish you well with your campaign. 3) BlackDragon: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 4) Artolust: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 5) RedGaming00: You will be banned for actively trying to poach our members. 6) Attar: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 7) Zarifis: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. For those who have been unjustly temporarily banned, we apologize. This was done originally as a control measure and now that we have promptly reviewed all evidence, we have come to the decisions above. If you wish to remain an active member of UWS then we strongly encourage you to remain civil and help better our community as best as possible. We however will not tolerate any further discourse against Agent Serro and any actions deemed to be malicious will lead to your dismissal. We also will not tolerate the sharing of any sensitive information regarding the campaign that is crafted by Agent Serro to be used in any fashion with any other community unless provided consent to do so. Thank you, The UWS Admin Team Exhibit A: Exhibit B:
  6. Disappointment sums up this response. As a neutral party to this falling out with some members of our Dungeons and Dragons sub-community, I have been asked to do my best to summarize the events that transpired and announce our final community decision based on the evidence provided. Firstly, I think that there has been an ongoing feud for many months with a handful of members, dungeon masters, and the world designer (Agent Serro). It sounds like there has been a significant lack of maturity for those involved to try and discuss differences in a concise way to help seek resolution of these issues. This ultimately led to this rift. The lack of professionalism and lack of human decency is disappointing. I understand that people do not see eye to eye on most things, but active involvement by talking behind someone’s back with intention to cause harm is unacceptable. Frankly I do not care if you get along with Agent Serro, or anyone for that matter. This behavior alone is unacceptable and childish. As early as the beginning of June it was the intention of mman666 aka (gru(D)|Leo(E)|Les(E)|Zen(E)) to create a small community for D&D on his own personal Discord server. Initially this began with him inviting friends of our community to his. This alone is not problematic, nor does it break any of our community rules; however, as more members came to join the server there was a select message posted on 6/22/22 in your announcements section (as seen in exhibit A) that requested others to begin recruitment for the small-scale community. This response was then later deleted by someone within your community this morning. There is nothing wrong with members splitting away from UWS to use their own private Discords for their own purposes. However, this private discord moved away from just a group of friends playing and doing their own thing to an attempt to grow independently with aspirations to recruit and grow their own D&D Westmarch campaign. This is now a conflict of interest. Shortly after, former member RedGaming00 was caught actively recruiting a newly established member of our UWS community (Exhibit B). This was done in clear violation of one of our community rules: “Promotion of unaffiliated groups/communities are not allowed”. As a result of these findings, we were able to compile a list of UWS members actively participating in this newly created server and in an intended response to conduct damage control, a blanket ban from the community was performed along with having all active D&D roles/access revoked. At this time, the initial investigating team was still compiling evidence to further review and to help make final decisions regarding those involved and their memberships here. During this time, they were encouraging those involved to dispute/appeal their bans. The responses in these threads are less than productive and provide little assistance to prove their claims of innocence. Despite this, we at United We Stand do not rule with an iron fist. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. As a result, the following has been decided. 1) Longstandingjoke: You have decided to step down as a dungeon master and assist to Agent Serro on your own terms. Although I feel that this decision spawns from the difficulties that occurred over the last many months (if not longer). The fact that you decided to leave is not a concern of ours. You left from a staffing perspective within good standing despite the butting of heads with Agent Serro. We are disappointed by your failure to work to resolve these issues, yet that is a decision you made. We have not found evidence to support a permanent ban and thus your membership status will be reinstated. 2) Mman666: It is in our view that you created your own personal discord to develop a new Westmarch campaign. This quickly morphed into a desire to not just continue a private campaign with a select group of friends, but turned into attempts to further recruitment and community development. This then led to attempted poaching of at least one of our UWS community members. This is worsened by the fact that you have tampered and deleted evidence on your communities Discord to help cover up these actions. You were found to be advising others to actively recruit, and those actions have led to the attempt of member poaching from our community. As a result, we have decided to maintain your permanent ban. In addition, not only within our community but also within yours you continue to stoke the fires and promote a consistent negative image of Agent Serro. You don’t have to like him, but this ongoing harassment is not acceptable. We wish you well with your campaign. 3) BlackDragon: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 4) Artolust: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 5) RedGaming00: You will be banned for actively trying to poach our members. 6) Attar: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. 7) Zarifis: We have no evidence to support your ban and your membership will be restored. For those who have been unjustly temporarily banned, we apologize. This was done originally as a control measure and now that we have promptly reviewed all evidence, we have come to the decisions above. If you wish to remain an active member of UWS then we strongly encourage you to remain civil and help better our community as best as possible. We however will not tolerate any further discourse against Agent Serro and any actions deemed to be malicious will lead to your dismissal. We also will not tolerate the sharing of any sensitive information regarding the campaign that is crafted by Agent Serro to be used in any fashion with any other community unless provided consent to do so. Thank you, The UWS Admin Team Exhibit A: Exhibit B:
  7. No you misunderstood, I wasn’t using that conversation as a means of evidence again you, I simply looked at his suggestions area, looked for his recent replies to see how he responds to people, and the behaviour I see is not of someone who deserved to be hated on, that’s a strong word hate but you’d really have to hate someone to say over the course of a year you felt that way about him but had no problem with it because he works on the game everyone is playing. Back in 2016 with our previous leader, we didn’t like how inactive he was, where if we wanted something done it would take weeks for him to do it with no reason, literally killed our ARK community because he failed to provide us with what we needed. We didn’t just crap on him behind his back and make another place, we took all our staff, held a meeting with him and had a heart to heart talk with him, now he’s a guy who’s stubborn and hot headed and nothing came of it, Serro doesn’t sound like the type of person where if you seriously gathered all those people and had a heart to heart talk with him that he would yell at you guys for bringing it up and not listen to change. This isn’t my first rodeo. Please keep the stories coming I love a good rebuttal, otherwise thank you for providing something when it’s been said impossible to do.
  8. Yes, doing non-canon games is something I help with. We have done this plenty of times, each one being on UWS discord. Non-canon games have always been on UWS discord server, using UWS accounts, with UWS campaign on roll20. Being canon or not being canon has no bearing on this. My generosity and my willingness to help UWS members, to give them what is ask for has no bearing on this. Even with my generosity, I would never in a million years ever agree to anything being used outside of UWS. It is the UWS that pays for all of the bills, pays for all the accounts, pays for everything that is required to keep a D&D westmarch up and running. It is only for UWS members that I do all of this work, share anything that is mine and it shall always remain this way. Never any exception to this. If honesty was given to me, stating 'hey we want to use your stuff for a different discord server', I would have strongly warned against, shown rules against it and I would have reported it.
  9. That was a LONG thing to read. Some things I agree with some I don't. But mman666 asking for the maps was only for the non-canon games that he suggested. We in the other server have either used a white screen with shapes drawn on it, or maps that were purchasable on Roll20 with their own money. Those are all the maps that we have access to. I am not going to show screen shots and recordings of the other server where we talk about things that could be private. You don't need that. I am willing to send you an invite to the server so that you can look around and see what we have, but I will not do so without the consent of the others there. They made that server because we offered suggestions to Agent Serro who said he was getting back to them, but also in them thought we wanted different things and starting implementing his own things. Yes it is his own world and he can choose what to add and what not to add. But then why make a suggestions channel and not add any of it into the game. If he were to add those things to the UWS D&D world he would be taking Their Intellectual Property. (If I used that properly good on me, if not I am not the best at typing what I mean.)
  10. Being a recruiter for 14+ years, let me get this straight.. You guys remain here while having this other place Make friends with new players that join Once friended offer them another discord because you’ve befriended them so now the invite is valid bypassing our rule because it’s a friend invite. So if I go to another discord regardless of size and with rules in place, I’ll do exactly this and explain it the same way you did and we’ll see what the result is, I can almost assure you it’s not going to fly. Seriously this can’t be made up, with this method you would leave that community depleted of players or at the very least a split. You can do what you want on private discords, perfectly fine, but when you are taking players from here to play somewhere else, it affects the place. It’s not like EFT where there’s so many it doesn’t make a dent to where it could die off, D&D is a much tighter click, doing such things can leave that community dead with nobody to play with. I help put in effort to make ads to bring players here, you can easily do the same make an ad on the official discords for westmarch players, no harm done. You might not like how this was handled, but it’s our obligation to protect this community. If we weren’t fair, you wouldn’t be here writing a book giving us a headache (please for the love of jebus you can share your side of things without taking a word and turning it into a book, almost 2000 words with over10,000+ characters used to simply tell your side wasn’t needed). Literally are so on the defensive like taking my word of community and saying it’s being stretched? I mean sorry I should have said group or friends? Village? Social gathering? I’m more annoyed that I read everything just to finally see something like Jarvis being in the crossfire which are things we were looking for to where we can look at and debate. You may downgrade things Serro has done, but you sure enjoyed it throughout the year. Lastly, and the most insensitive sounding, and I say this while unprofessional it will sound and these are my words alone and not the community, but Fuck you dude. You have some nerve saying you tolerated him allowing him to do his thing while the other 2 worked the show, like he’s some hated slave working for you guys just to shit in his bowl of cereal not to even call him a friend, that statement alone is sketchy AF and shows motive to making another discord and having “all the friends” go and join in, at least it sure paints the picture that way. Absolutely disgusting man, even if your found to be in this crossfire and ban removed, I have no respect for you, you should be ashamed for using him like that and talking trash about him. His game brought you all together, my gawd In my 17+ years of being in this community, I’ve never seen such a disgusting slap to another member, and that’s coming from seeing a dude slap his nuts on his desk take and post the picture in our forums before his betrayal with 2 other friends. Maybe it’s the Canadian in me that’s getting fumed seeing this but seriously if you all do feel that way then this was long due, and some if not all should have manned up, told him the truth, and then left to do your own thing. You put on fake smiles looking at the Taven, I see his recent replies to the suggestion area sure sounds like a person who can’t be reasoned with even if you did have a disagreement but hey with your story tho, everyone is innocent, no wrong was done, you keep singing the amber heard song because we all know how that ends.
  11. As far as you know… it’s possible to not know that they are. Could you prove nothing is being used? Absolutely, just off the top of my head to those with access could have provided video or a screen share of areas that have nothing, I would have done this immediately upon ban if happened to myself and contacted staff what is needed to be done, I know the times where I’ve been accused of wrong in my lifetime I wouldn’t get angry nor snarky and would always be happy to comply because I know I have nothing to hide and can prove innocence with complying to prove with what is wanted. Not everyone at your place is innocent, but the reason for these requests is to discuss and figure out who got in the crossfire even if they don’t want to return it’s our job to be fair and protect our community, dislike how it was done but have a community like this yourself and you too would want to protect it by drastic means even if it’s not something always done.
  12. Last note, please keep in mind we are actively working towards sorting this out and clearing the names of those that are innocent.
  13. You ban appeal has been noted along with the following posts: Should you wish to bring anything else up please post here.
  14. As seen in Reds appeal we do have proof there of him specifically, there are other pieces of information we are currently compiling to be released as deemed fit. I am going to exit this thread for the time being as your responses are bordering on argumentative. Once we filter through everything, bans will be overturned as we deem necessary.
  15. Zarif has made a request for ban dispute, detailed below: In Game Name: ZarifisGUID: NadaReason for Ban: Theft and Poaching, apparently.Admin Name: Assuming you know who did it: VexWhat Server:: DiscordBan Length:: Likely foreverDate/Time of Ban (For log checking purposes):: 6/31/22?Your account of what occurred:: I got roped into a mass ban of people and committed the crime of just existing around it. But in reality, that actually covers it more or less. I got banned for association. I'd like that removed.Proof:: In Game Name: Imperia, technically
  16. As I pointed out, the burden of proof is on you, and you have failed to provide it. Poaching? For inviting someone to play on another server workout opening the one they're on? Grow up.
  17. That is the intention of the ban appeals, should you wish yours to enter the appeal process you are free to submit an appeal as well. https://forums.uwsgaming.com/forms/4-ban-dispute/ If there is nothing to show then there should be a willingness to allow the staff to investigate the Discord in some form or manner. However, No-one has been forthcoming with anything other than "I did nothing wrong" which may be the case however from what have seen this Discord is actively recruiting members from inside UWS to include brand new D&D members and actively trying to grow their server to it in order to play the same style of campaign that UWS is hosting because UWS is "to restrictive". In regards to the carpet-ban, yes it is drastic and essentially never occurs but as I have stated before. This is the first I've had to issue, we have a list of names that are part of the server at least 3-4 of which have blatantly broken rules. The remainder were placed under a ban by association to ensure there was no collateral damage to the community itself. I fully understand being upset that you were banned if you actually did nothing wrong and that is why we have the ban appeal process, however it is a give and take system instead all we have gotten is "I did nothing wrong" "Fascist approach" "You tell us" not a single person has yet to take the approach of "Oh damn, this is bad maybe I'm wrapped up in something that I shouldn't have been" Again, The ban appeals are being deliberated as they come in and there are likely some who will get their ban lifted, some of you are just players with no ill intent, we're just asking you to work WITH us because sadly you were wrapped up with some that did.
  18. How does one provide screenshots or proof of not doing something wrong? There.. there isn't anything to show. I know that sounds snarky, and it kinda is meant to be, but it's also a truthful question. What evidence is there to show? It's not a lack of willingness, it's a lack of something to show. I do have to agree with the counter-sentiment though, that accusing all of us of something, but demanding proof from US that we are innocent is.. backwards.
  19. Hi! It's Zar. I've come to find I have a problem with how things are being described as happening and how this is being handled, so I've decided to chime in here. Just found out I HAVE to have an account to post, so I actually have no idea if my message sent. So I'm posting this fully account kitted. I also forgot to post the single image I meant to do. This seems to be the most viewed spot, so I'll give in my thoughts here. ( Little note: I am no good at the quoting mechanics in most forums, so bear with me here if something... breaks. Preemptive: my bad.) I guess I'll start here. First, this was one specific person's idea to make his own server with his own idea, and it is something he had been wanting to do for a while from what I understand. So, this isn't entirely new. Maybe spurred into finishing sooner, but I cannot say with certainty. Now for many others knowing, there are a few things to touch on. Firstly, the definition of many others is important here. Is 5 many? is it 15? 30? A small handful did know about this place. Most accurately, the core number of players who interacted often with each other and realistically got along. This wasn't more than 5 or 6 people. Secondly, there was no obligation to mention it, because if we're being candid here (as we should without repercussion for it), it was no one else's business what we do privately. What the others do privately. They can have private friendships and do private things in their own servers. UWS does not own us or our ideas and plans, and the expectation we need to announce ourselves is.. overstepping. Thirdly, and honestly the most insensitive sounding, Serro isn't our friend (referencing the friend comment). He has repeatedly, constantly, over the course of almost a year frustrated us with jabs of PC killing, executing odd or bad decisions on the game, and ignoring suggestions on things that can help. He also never participated with us in the game at all until about a month ago. (To which then he completely threw apart the storylines players had been pursuing for multiple months.) No one (who had been around since the inception of D&D for UWS) overly got along with him. We tolerated him and what he did. Because ironically, while his lack of engagement was annoying, it also meant we could let him do his thing, and then get back to the story with the two people who actually ran the game. That got off on a tangent and isn't even everything yet, but my point is there is no remorse we didn't tell Serro. And there isn't much concern if we offended or upset him. He's been upsetting many of us for almost a year and wouldn't stop. And to loop back around fully because that was alot: Why wasn't it mentioned? Private lives, private server, & UWS rightfully has no say in what we do. Yes, I know that's going to upset people and likely warrant a negative response back that will do me no favors. I can answer this one for you. Not a thing. (That I am aware of.) We literally played on a white grid map with a circle drawn as a hut, with a square for a door. I can even show that image as an attachment. If someone had stolen "Intellectual Property" from here, I would hope they'd use the damn stuff. My eyes hurt from staring at white for 2 hours. That isn't even a joke. BUT, since this is a topic on theft. Can we bring up about how so much of the hard countless hours making things, involve just yoinking stuff from the internet and claiming it as his? There were maps with patreon watermarks, there were cityscapes I've seen before while just browsing. The two main NPCs that run the organization in that game I've seen before while looking at character art. They've just been photoshopped to be steroided up and one has bleached hair now. Now, does that not count as any type of theft, since this is a topic? Or is it okay all this stuff claimed as his, isn't... you know... his? To reaffirm this point, nothing was taken. I wouldn't be surprised if the idea crossed people's minds after this for spite's sake. But it didn't happen. No one took anything. At all. Anything that someone would have would only be the DMs for when they were using content to make things FOR UWS. And in fact I just asked to not make an ass of myself, I even came to learn things like the Tupperbox stuff was given back before things were done. No one took anything. And the only people who could are the DMs. One who is actually a good person overall who quit, the other got swept up in the blanket ban. And since blanket ban came up.. how is that okay? How is any of this okay? This has been a monumental screw up through and through. No one actually has almost any good information. No one asked anyone for confirmation or to prove what is being said is wrong or a lie. It just happened. How is this appropriate operating procedure? And while this comes up again later I think: "Recruitment for this discord." Wrong word. Bad phrasing. Buzzwords. Shoehorning a specific label to make this sound incriminating to pull this ban off. There was no "recruiting" in how you would define it for somewhere like UWS. "Hey, I've been making a thing if you wanna try something different." "Yeah sure why not." -Paraphrased. That isn't a recruitment message. That's one friend telling another friend about something so they can play together. If that type of conversation and collaboration outside of UWS is a bannable offence, then like a third of your player base should probably be banned. Cause this loops back into private life stuff again, too. There we are with the buzzwording again. And privacy issues and a host of other little problems. This is the single thing that may have some merit based off the odd rules for UWS, for a single person, mind you. But as said once above too, let's put that aside for a bit. First, Red was joining to play with others he knew. That isn't a lie. That's true for everyone. In fact, one person who was invited, Jarvis, didn't even participate. But he's a friend, and overall a good dude and we thought it nice to include him because we like him. so he was invited in. I don't know who did actually. And, in the end, he got banned just from vague association. He's actually one of the better people as a.. well, person, and didn't deserve to get punished. For the "offering in secret," that's how private messages work. For "without even letting them play what Serro has made," no one was telling them not to. And they already had been participating as well, so that point is moot. There is truth in "less restrictive for them or not." It very well might not have been. While I may want to strangle Red for how he is some days, this wasn't done with malice. He was just trying to be nice. So, while he still needs to comment for himself, I make the argument nothing wrong has been done. (This quote might look a little funny.) So, since we're finally at the bottom, I can do the first conclusion paragraph bit. (This is also a good spot to forewarn I gave it a modest proofread, but would not be surprised if something is off. A punctuation point, a missed contraction, etc.) The message and ban was uniform, which is efficient. However, doesn't that look bad? Like yes, you have smote the interlopers, but the reasoning isn't accurate for anyone. And as we should conclude at the bottom here, isn't even correct. And because I'm an idiot and like to talk a lot: For his specific situation, that phrasing is forced, and wrong. And no one could even know if that's true there is intention to build a community. "Intention of creating D&D community using current members without consent." So, "intention of creating D&D community" not the case. Not in the way it is trying to be portrayed. If you call a modest size of friends a community, then sure, it's right. BUT, that's really stretching community here. "Using current members," so he invited one person being nice. I don't believe that constitutes an accurate usage of that phrase. "Without consent." This is the really weird one. I've already gone over the whole private lives thing and how UWS has no right to interfere or how people need permission to do their own thing. But, can we talk about how crazy that sounds? How possessive and controlling it is about the people who participate? How pop #9's message gives off such an insecure projection? Because it really does. Like, I get it. You find another community comparable to the size of UWS, and someone is trying to funnel people to there? Yeah, smite that guy. Immediately. I get that competitiveness of wanting to be the big guys with the biggest numbers and all that. I see it a lot. But trying to bring down that rule on normal people who are just here to have fun and a life, beyond the scope of UWS' eye? That's so crazy. Yes, I know, I'm insulting a mantra people here hold maybe a little too close and it's not winning me any points. But it's gotta be said. To actually close this up with thoughts of my own without any specific direction, let me start here: Honestly, I'm disappointed. I'm disappointed this was the first behavior decided, I'm disappointed no one had the ability to defends themselves from claims made about them (by people who are still a mystery to me), and I'm disappointed this was actually a route considered okay. I'm upset by how sour of a split this was. I'm unhappy I got a year of my life here wrenched away for a false claim followed by a bad fallout that isn't likely to be easily mended, if at all. I'm unhappy all of my time and effort to actually try to do something good feels wasted. I'm frustrated beyond belief with so many things that I never felt I had the ability to voice and have it matter. I'm sad realizing that no matter how this goes here, everyone involved feel betrayed and likely won't return, and how something great with people I came to like died so quickly. I didn't want to leave. I was pushed to do so once, but I stayed because I liked what I had made. I was upset by many decisions made thus far, but was optimistic to some degree things could turn around and be better. This has been a thing. I'm really just.. disappointed.
  20. The issue is, with the information we have this Discord you joined is actively recruiting for new members, Majority of which are currently United We Stand members and Dungeon Masters. The purpose of submitting a ban appeal is to clear your name. If you can provide screenshots or proof of no wrong doing by this Discord which NO ONE has been willing to do as of yet then we are all ears. It is a form of crowd control that is rarely every used but is when we in fact know there are multiple parties actively attempting to poach members, take work and cause harm to the community which directly violates our ruleset would you rather us allow a bleeding wound to continue to bleed not knowing the cause or extent of the damages but having a list of things (people) directly associated with the potential cause of the trauma?
  21. By the way, Blanket Banning people based on appearances and hunches, not proof, then demanding THEY present proof of their innocence is fascist shit.
  22. I haven't played on the other server, but, as far as i know, they are not using anything 0 created. Why would they? I joined because i was told they might have morning sessions, as I have been with UWS since the beginning and Jarvis has only been able to join around 5 sessions. Nobody asked me to leave UWS, no one asked me to keep secrets or sabotage UWS. What I read was that people wanted UWS to succeed, they wanted to continue to play on UWS, they just wanted additional options that another server, of their own content, could provide. But, as I have told them, I no longer care. This whole banning thing has left a sour taste for D&D, and I will not be playing with anyone. I merely appealed to clear my name. Good luck.
  23. Vex

    mayasur question

    Please submit form: https://forums.uwsgaming.com/forms/4-ban-dispute/
  24. The ban message was uniform to all members banned to encompass everything which reads: "Reason: Theft of intellectual property with intention of creating D&D community using current UWS members without consent. " Specifically applying to your situation: "with intention of creating D&D community using current UWS members without consent."
  25. I have provided a quote from @Trunkz Jr in RedGaming00's Ban Appeal that summarizes the same questions I have regarding your situation @Jarvis In regards to the carpet ban that was issued. If anyone feels they were wrongly banned we encourage them to submit a ban appeal through the website just as you did and we will review each on a case by case basis. The decision was made to apply a tourniquet to a potentially volatile situation with the information we currently have. Unfortunately some people that have no Ill intentions may have been caught in the cross fire, as you are indeed correct there are no limitations on being apart of another server unless they are deemed malicious towards United We Stand in which we do have messages regarding members from that server actively attempting to recruit new United We Stand D&D members into this Discord. If you could provide some more information on why you joined the server that seemed to have been kept a secret from everyone until recently it would be beneficial to your case.
  26. Like mentioned, breaking rule #9 on the UWS discord but let’s put that aside and focus on what was listed. You guys created another discord to play on a less restrictive discord westmarch, you made no mention to Serro about it but many others knew of this and didn't mention it to him as well? Personally if my friends did this without including me or even informing me I'd feel a little offended given being close friends but I digress - Are you saying anything he's created over the past year doing long hard countless hours only to help create an amazing world for the UWS Community to enjoy is NOT being used at this Discord? I ask this because: The way I read this is that you directly did not take anything from what Serro has created but someone else did? Tho it still marks it up as being an accessory to that crime in which conceals or aids after that person who did commit it - Also the way I'm reading and looking at this, one would see that you along with everyone else are okay with the fact that this one person did this and not report it, and recruiting for this discord is simply aiding what was done. You mentioned to the person who you tried to recruit that they were new to the DND UWS Discord, so you weren't just joining this discord to play with friends who are already there, you are offering new players in secret another place to play at without even letting them play what Serro has made to see if it was less restrictive for them or not. I could understand if it was another close friend, but this isn't even the case. If you feel nothing wrong has been done and this is not the case, please explain.
  27. That was not the reasoning why I was banned. Yes I asked someone to join another discord server. I was not Malicious in anyway. I didn't want any harm to come to the UWS at all. I spent nearly everyday of the past year on that server socializing. This is about me apparently stealing intellectual property of the D&D Area of the UWS. I did nothing of the sort. I joined another discord with people within the D&D area because we wanted to be less restricted in how we play.
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